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Saturday, April 22, 2006
The Case for Nuking Iran
A few nights ago I was watching Fox News. They had the French author Bernard Henri-Levy discussing the situation in Iran. One phrase he used caught my attention, “we’re in 1938,” he said. I fear that he’s correct. Unless we (by which I mean we of the West, as we are all in this together) take immediate and appropriate action, we shall soon find ourselves plunged into a war of intensity unimaginable in the modern age.

We make a great mistake if we do not take the words of our enemies at face value. Iran’s leaders are not post-modern scholars, nor are they Machiavellian schemers. They mean what they say. When a man declares that he intends to kill you, it’s best to take them at their word and to respond accordingly. When Iran’s leaders declare their intention to launch a Second Holocaust and to launch attacks against the West, we’d better respond appropriately.

But, what is an appropriate response? There are many serious objections to the prospect of a military assault against Iran that are certainly worthy of consideration and response.

First, there is the observation that Iran’s nuclear program is widely dispersed and would be both difficult and costly in lives to attack.

Second, there is the real possibility of an asymmetrical Iranian response in the form of terrorist attacks on targets in the West and in efforts to disrupt shipping throughout the Persian Gulf.

Third, there is the certainty that Iran would respond to any attack upon it by attempting to provoke a mass uprising by Shiites in Iraq and, quite possibly, might launch a direct assault against US forces in Iraq.
Fourth, Iran might respond to an attack by the United States by launching an attack – either with long-range missiles or through proxies – against Israel.

So how, over such objections, can I still support an attack against Iran? Well, it’s easier than it might appear at first blush. There is a simple and elegant solution which, I think, could solve multiple strategic problems in a single rush.

First of all, let me state, that I don’t think that Iran and Iraq can be considered in isolation. Fundamentally they are part of a single battlefield. Iran is no more neutral territory in the Iraq conflict than Laos or Cambodia were in Vietnam. Thus, while it is true that Iran can take advantage of a US offensive against it to launch attacks in Iraq, the inverse is also true: the United States can use the time afforded by a distracted world and domestic media to radically tilt the balance in Iraq.

Consider, for a moment, the most likely outcome of an effort by Iran to launch a massive offensive in Iraq. If Iran were to launch an all-out Shiite uprising against American and Iraqi government forces, we would likely see a modern-day reenactment of the Tet Offensive – a battle which would result in the annihilation of the attacking forces but which, thanks to a hostile global and traitorous domestic media would be presented to the public as a massive defeat for Allied arms. Iran can likely launch such an attack at any moment. Wouldn’t it be far better if it were launched while the media was distracted by images of Mushroom Clouds over the western deserts of Iran? This is especially true when one considers the fact that the combination of a distracted media and a chaotic military situation is likely to allow Allied forces to take more… liberties… with regard to their human rights policies than might otherwise be allowable.

The problem of Iran’s hardened nuclear facilities is easily solved if we choose to use nuclear weapons. Simply put, we can drop nuclear bombs on anything that even looks like a nuclear facility and, afterwards, no one will really be able to conclusively establish what was there to begin with. This will be extremely useful in the off-chance that, like Saddam’s Iraq, Iran proves to actually have a far-less advanced WMD program than we believed: no one will be able to prove the truth one way or another and, given the gravity of our own actions, a majority of people will generally accept our word for it.

As I said elsewhere – and I fully believe this to be true – there’s no effective difference in the political cost between the use of a single nuclear bomb and the use of fifty. If we drop even one nuke on Iran, a certain percentage of the public is going to go absolutely nuts. They’re not going to be physically capable of getting any crazier or any more violent. Thus, if we use one nuclear bomb, we might as well use fifty or one hundred. No one in the general public (or the media, for that matter) really understands the reality of nuclear weapons or the difference between a 5KT explosion deep underground and a 1MT surface blast.

The above reality solves a number of other problems. Namely, once we start dropping any nuclear bombs, no one else is really going to care what else we do. Thus, the United States Navy will be perfectly free to sink anything that moves and can carry a machine gun and the Air Force will be able to simply eliminate any large Iranian ground forces caught in the field.

There’s another political reason to use nuclear weapons (and preferably a lot of them). To put it simply, I’d describe this as a “spin-the-wheel” situation. Political physics will only tolerate a chasm between major factions of a certain size. Thus, by dropping one hundred nuclear bombs on Iran, we’ll end up in a situation where the position of the President’s “moderate” critics will be to argue that he should have used fifty bombs instead.

Additionally, such a strike would be politically helpful for the President at this point in time. If would have the support of virtually every Republican in the land, along with a certain percentage of the Democrat Party. The radical left would find itself even further isolated from the political mainstream.

It’s time to act against Iran. We can’t wait for the day that Iran’s Uranium Dancer Team takes to the stage to announce the Islamic Republic’s first successful nuclear test – by then it will be too late. Now is the time to show the world that America retains the will to act. It’s time to remind all of America’s enemies and would-be enemies that the United States has the power to wipe their nations off the very face of the Earth and the wherewithal to do so.
Comments:
Shorter Adam Yoshida: vaporizing Iranians at ground zero is the main course, but torturing the survivors is the sweet sweet dessert.
 
Naturally, I can't be bothered to read the whole of this post (on account of being sane) - the mere fact that the word "fallout", "fall-out", "fall out" or any other possible version of the word fails to appear in either of these 'nuke Iran' pieces shows that he doesn't have the faintest fucking clue about the side-effects of what he's proposing.

Unless the US has invented a whole new form of radioactive pollution that respects national borders, it's not just the Iranians who should be concerned about Adam's proposals - the entire Middle East and anyone downwind of Iran is likely to be affected. Which very much includes Israel.

Another word that's missing from Adam's screeds is "compensation" - you know, recompenses that the US will naturally be paying to all neighbouring countries that have been affected by its unilateral military action.

But I'm not exactly surprised - Adam, seemingly alone on the planet, doesn't seem to understand that actions produce consequences. Even Bush and his cronies are gradually waking up to the fact that invading Iraq without a realistic reconstruction and exit strategy was a pretty damn stupid idea.

Nuking Iran would be stupider by several orders of magnitude - not least because it would establish the US as the world's number one pariah state. And the US economy is in no position to survive a global boycott, let alone its numerous creditors deciding to call in their loans.

Which is why it ain't gonna happen - sorry Adam, you'll have to get your jollies somewhere else.
 
People generally overestimate the effects of radiation from nuclear weapons. The public will have to be educated. A number of air-bursts in relatively isolated locations is barely going to effect anything at all.

On the second point: a boycott? Please. I'll believe that when I see it.

In any case, as I've said earlier, I don't really see any difference between acts of economic war and acts of actual war. If China were, for example, to attempt to tank the US economy, it would be appropriate to blow up the Three Gorges Dam as a response.
 
People generally overestimate the effects of radiation from nuclear weapons. The public will have to be educated. A number of air-bursts in relatively isolated locations is barely going to effect anything at all.

You gonna provide references for these claims? Other than "somewhere from the darker recesses of my ass"? I mean, it's suspiciously convenient that you think that this would "barely affect anything at all", isn't it? Not to mention completely untrue, as even the most cursory look at the literature on Hiroshima, Nagasaki, Chernobyl and various bomb test sites in the Pacific will readily confirm.

And I just love that "the public will have to be educated" - what kind of education did you have in mind? And which public? Would Iranians be excluded? How about Palestinians?

If China were, for example, to attempt to tank the US economy, it would be appropriate to blow up the Three Gorges Dam as a response.

Yeah, yeah - and the rest of the world would automatically and unconditionally back the US, and China wouldn't dream of fighting back. And if it did, the US could always tip the pieces off the board and say "I'm not playing any more" and stomp off to its bedroom.

Because that's essentially how you view the world, isn't it Adam?
 
Hiroshima and Nagasaki were both first-generation dirty bombs. Chernobyl was a nuclear meltdown. The Pacific bomb tests were all relatively early bomb designs as well. That's not a fair base of comparison.

IE - a modern 20KT bomb is going to destroy things within, say, a two mile radius. But, beyond that, it's effects are going to be relatively minimal. Fall-out on a local basis. Higher radiation levels, but not by that much.

For that matter, it ought to disspiate in a couple of weeks anyways.
 
As I said earlier, where are the references?

Look, with the greatest possible respect, your site suggests that you're a complete fucking fruitloop. No-one in their right mind is going to believe what you say just because you say it. If you don't back it up in your very next comment, I'm calling bullshit - and so will anyone else with half a brain.

For that matter, it ought to disspiate in a couple of weeks anyways.

Yeah, yeah, yeah - of course it will, you cretinous imbecile. That's why 34 per cent of Britain is still contaminated by Chernobyl fallout twenty years on - and why cancer cases in the worst affected area are running at twelve times the pre-1986 level. And Britain is much further away from Ukraine than Israel is from Iran.

As for the Chernobyl region itself... well, I'm not planning a holiday there any time soon, what with one thing or another. And weren't we assured twenty years ago that it would all dissipate in a couple of weeks and that it's nothing to worry about?
 
If China were, for example, to attempt to tank the US economy, it would be appropriate to blow up the Three Gorges Dam as a response.

Riiiiiiiight. So if my bank manager gets uppity about my overdraft, I should go round there, blow up the bank and pick off any survivors one by one, pumping bullets into their twitching corpses?

After all, "it would be appropriate", wouldn't it?

God, Adam, I swear you're getting worse. What did you do during that long layoff? Stop taking your medication?
 
Yes, yes, nuke 'em ragheads but good. Fall out is a liberal hippy tree hugger myth, nothing can stop America yada yada.

Yawn Adam, yawn.

Tell us about how the cybernectically preserverd brain of GW Bush will one day pin a medal on your battle armour / girdle after the Victory over the Islamofacists on Mars. Give us some classic Yoshibation, not this recycled LGF wanking.
 
Adam:

A number of air-bursts in relatively isolated locations is barely going to effect anything at all.

Attacks on bunkers would not involve air-bursts, they would involve shallow underground detonations. These detonations kick up a mountain of soot, all of which becomes contaminated, and further contaminates anything it touches. When it makes it into the atmosphere (which it will) it forms clouds and rains back down on the area; the rain is toxic enough to melt skin.

Remember the pictures of New York after the WTC collapsed? Imagine if that dust burned your skin, gave you cancer, mutated your unborn children, and ensured your death (painfully) in a matter of weeks. Then multiply the amount by a hundredfold---for each weapon used. Finally, imagine all the places such dust would settle, all the places where it would linger; how many wells, aquefers, and rivers would be contaminated.

This is the horror you claim to want visited upon millions of people you have never met or spoken with. What do you think this says about you?
 
Adam,

You are such a moron. Why would anyone take this shit seriously?
 
You sir, and I use that term loosely, are a fucking idiot.
Perhaps we could just round up you and all your repug pals and launch you at the Iranians. That would make the world safer for sure.
 
Adam
You, sir, are a complete tosser!
 
Adam-

This is a serious offer. I think nothing would help your world-view and deteriorating psychic calm than a thorough ass-beating at the hands of a devoted liberal. I make quarterly trips to Vancouver for business, and I'd be glad to meet up at the location of your choosing and wipe the fucking floor with you. In all seriousness, kid, you badly need your ass whipped. It'll improve your life and allow to perhaps function with a modicum of common sense. I couldn't be more serious about this. I was a division 1A wrestler in college, so you'll get the short end of this, I assure you. Seriously, justify some of your bluster and let's make this happen. I'll be there in June.
 
congratulations. you are a genocidal pig, the moral equivalent of hitler.
 
Attacks on bunkers would not involve air-bursts, they would involve shallow underground detonations. These detonations kick up a mountain of soot, all of which becomes contaminated, and further contaminates anything it touches. When it makes it into the atmosphere (which it will) it forms clouds and rains back down on the area; the rain is toxic enough to melt skin.

True enough, but I imagine that only five or so of the bombs would be undeground detonations. If we're talking fifty bombs, I imagine most of those being used against missile bases, air bases, and Iranian Army (and Revolutionary Guard) units in the field and the like. Most of those you'd want to airburst for.
 
Why would anyone take this shit seriously?

Does anyone? Adam used to have a cheerleader calling himself 'Urban Cowboy', but he made the great mistake of revealing himself to be:

(a) a teenager;
(b) pitifully ignorant of the world outside his home state of New Jersey;
(c) quite unable to define what he meant by the term "liberal", even though it was his favourite term of abuse.
(d) quite incapable of constructing anything even vaguely approaching a reasoned argument.

But he disappeared months ago, and I can't say he's been especially missed.
 
Adam

Martin Van Creveld speaks. Perhaps you should listen.
 
Adam:

You are dodging the crux of my comment, which has to do with humanity, not strategy.

Why are people living in Iranian worth so little to you?
 
"living in Iran," obviously.
 
You are dodging the crux of my comment, which has to do with humanity, not strategy.

He's also dodging the crux of mine, which was to ask for a reliable, authoritative, scientifically reputable source to back up his claims that modern nuclear weapons either don't produce fallout at all, or a revolutionary new kind that "dissipates in a few weeks".

Until he does, I'm still calling bullshit.
 
Adam, explain please how murdering a few million Iranians in the name of freedom is morally surperior to murdering a few million Jews in the name of national socialism. I am seriously asking you to explain how you are morally surperior to Hitler.
 
"I am seriously asking you to explain how you are morally surperior to Hitler."

He is Hitler. Here is a short list of countries Mr Yoshida wants to decimate:

China
North Korea
Iran

Right now, Adam Yoshida is a crank who calls for nuclear genocide...and believes the side effects will last "a few weeks". But in 1920, Hitler was a crank, who few listened to. And Yoshida's ideas are much more aggressive than anything attributed to Hitler.

Please keep this man as far from power as possible.
 
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